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作者: gljiushiwo 时间: 2009-5-17 14:36
标题: 新手求助，急~谢谢各位达人
如题

  几天前入手的韦特塔罗

  现在在占卜中遇到一个问题，关于牌的正逆位，我详细说下。

  比如说我给自己占卜，我目前的流程是：拿出牌，发问，洗牌，洗牌后我把牌横着摆，然后进行切牌，此刻牌一共分成上中下三摞（我觉得竖着摆的时候才好弄左中右三摞），再将这些牌合成一摞，最后问题出来了，和合成一摞的时候牌还是横着摆的，然后我该将牌顺时针旋转90度，这样我抽牌翻拍后很明显的可以看到正逆位，这样的方法对吗？

  再比如我给别人占卜，我目前的流程是：那出牌，朋友发问，然后我自己洗牌，把牌横着摆，让朋友切牌，还是上中下三摞，再合成一摞，这个时候我还是将牌顺时针旋转90度，以自己的方向摆牌阵，基本问卜者也就是切个牌发个问，我这样的做法对吗？

  最后1个问题，再书上看见说右手边永远是牌的下方，永远指示着下方，是什么意思？我不太明白~

希望大大们花宝贵的时间来帮我解决这些问题。谢谢~

作者: 我是猫六 时间: 2009-5-17 15:28
Shuffling Methods

Card Player's Method
The Card Player's Method is commonly used to shuffle everyday playing cards. Hold about half the cards face down in each hand and intermingle them as they drop to the surface of the table. This technique mixes the cards thoroughly, but it can be awkward because most tarot cards are bigger than normal. This method is also hard on your cards. They tend to form a bend in the middle. The Card Player's Method is effective, but somewhat mechanical in spirit.
Insertion Method
Hold about half the deck in each hand, and insert one half in a scattered fashion down through the other half. You can hold the cards on their long or short side. This method is fast, efficient and composed with a lot of hand-to-card contact. Be careful with the edges as they can fray over time.
Cowie Push/Put Method
In Tarot for Successful Living, Norma Cowie describes her push/put shuffling method. Her technique thoroughly mixes the cards with maximum hand contact and little or no damage. Hold the deck face down in your dominant hand. Push some cards from the top with your thumb into the other hand. Then, push again, but this time to the bottom of the new pile. Continue alternating a push to the top, then one to the bottom until all the cards have been transferred. At this point, put the entire deck back into your dominant hand and start over. This method can be difficult at first. You may push too many or drop some, but your technique will improve with practice.
Scrambling Method
The Scrambling Method is about as basic as you can get. Spread all the cards face down on the floor or table, and start scrambling. This technique creates a good mix with few ill effects on the cards. The main drawback is that you need room. This shuffle also has a rather uncomposed feel which some find undesirable.

To Avoid Reversed Cards:	To Encourage Reversed Cards:
Start with your cards all facing the same direction. Every time you divide the deck before shuffling, make sure the two piles stay facing the same way.	Every time you divide the deck before shuffling, rotate one of the piles 180 degrees.

作者: 我是猫六 时间: 2009-5-17 15:29
其实啊，你要不明白上面的这些办法，就很简单的，你洗牌的时候，在整理到最后的时候就把牌整理成竖着的就好了。这样就不用你在去费心思想了。

作者: 林晓欣 时间: 2009-5-17 15:34
看视频.

作者: Erika 时间: 2009-5-17 17:43
这些可以说还是很自由的啊

作者: Aiden 时间: 2009-5-17 17:46
http://www.chinatarot.com/bbs/thread-17536-1-1.html
看这个视频

作者: 我要向上 时间: 2009-5-17 18:26
猫大
英文写的什么呀？
偶看不懂YC12YC

回答LZ的问题
第一个自己占的时候顺时针转
第二个给别人占的时候逆时针转
最后一个，偶没看懂

作者: 了了 时间: 2009-5-17 19:10
最后一个是说，有的牌阵，需要用到横向放置的牌～这样，正逆位的看法就不一样了～
左手方是代表的下面～如果牌的下面正好在左，这就代表是正位的～反之，为逆位～

作者: 义安 时间: 2009-5-17 21:04
Shuffling Methods

Card Player's Method 玩家方式
The Card Player's Method is commonly used to shuffle everyday playingcards. Hold about half the cards face down in each hand and interminglethem as they drop to the surface of the table. This technique mixes thecards thoroughly, but it can be awkward because most tarot cards arebigger than normal. This method is also hard on your cards. They tendto form a bend in the middle. The Card Player's Method is effective,but somewhat mechanical in spirit.
这种洗牌的方式是我们平时在玩扑克牌都用到的。抓着大约一半的把牌面往下的卡然后在桌上弄乱它们。不过这种方式对塔罗牌来说可能会有点伤而且塔罗牌一般都很大，因为对牌来说可能会有很大的耗损……不过这个也是很有效率的方式
Insertion Method 插入式
Hold about half the deck in each hand, and insert one half in a scattered fashion down through the other half. You can hold the cards on their long or short side. This method is fast, efficient and composed with a lot of hand-to-card contact. Be careful with the edges as they can fray over time.
两个手拿大约一半的牌，把牌面往下然后角对角的插入，你可以抓住长的一边还是短的一边来进行插入。这种方式很快，能有效混乱牌。不过这种方式很多手-牌之间的触动，而且要注意牌的角因为很容出现受损情况
Cowie Push/Put Method 推洗牌方法
In Tarot for Successful Living,Norma Cowie describes her push/put shuffling method. Her techniquethoroughly mixes the cards with maximum hand contact and little or nodamage. Hold the deck face down in your dominant hand. Push some cardsfrom the top with your thumb into the other hand. Then, push again, butthis time to the bottom of the new pile. Continue alternating a push tothe top, then one to the bottom until all the cards have beentransferred. At this point, put the entire deck back into your dominanthand and start over. This method can be difficult at first. You maypush too many or drop some, but your technique will improve withpractice. 在塔罗牌的成功生活这本书里面，诺玛考伊介绍了她的推洗牌方法。她的技术彻底混合卡，很少或根本没有损坏因为大部分的洗牌过程都尽量少摩擦牌。把牌放在你的惯用手。把卡顶端用拇指到另一手里。然后，再推动，但是这一次的底部的牌。继续交替推动上方，然后一个底部，直到所有的卡已经转移另一个手。在这一点上，使整副牌回到您的惯用手，并开始了。这种方法可以在第一困难。您可以把过多或减少一些，但您的技术将改善与实践。
Scrambling Method 扰乱洗法【汗……这个我真的不懂要怎么翻译】
The Scrambling Method is about as basic as you can get. Spread all the cards face down on the floor or table, and start scrambling. This technique creates a good mix with few ill effects on the cards. The main drawback is that you need room. This shuffle also has a rather uncomposed feel which some find undesirable.哈哈……这个呢只是把牌往下，然后就是用两手乱乱把牌好像麻将那样洗法……这种方式需要一些地方啊~

To Avoid Reversed Cards: 避免牌面相反的方式	To Encourage Reversed Cards: 让牌面相反的方式
Start with your cards all facing the same direction. Every time you divide the deck before shuffling, make sure the two piles stay facing the same way. 就只是把所有牌面都是正位，确定了就开始用你平时的方式洗牌，确定洗牌的过程没有牌是掉转头了~	Every time you divide the deck before shuffling, rotate one of the piles 180 degrees. 每一次你洗牌，隔一次就180°的逆转牌继续洗牌，交叉几次下来直到你觉得满意为止

作者: 我是猫六 时间: 2009-5-17 21:14
谢谢义安，我才看到楼主的回复。
楼主看义安同学的翻译，很好。

作者: gljiushiwo 时间: 2009-5-18 13:48
谢谢各位朋友的帮助，或许这些都不拘泥形式，我知道了，谢谢各位大大

作者: 园园家猪 时间: 2009-6-6 23:16
顶一下

作者: 月儿宝贝 时间: 2009-6-7 13:50
我也一直疑惑来着~~ 特别是替别人占卜的时候~~

作者: huyu325 时间: 2009-6-8 16:00
聚精会神，象洗麻将一样，然后收拢——我的方法。
其实啊，LZ习惯用什么方法，就一直用下去好啦。不管你怎么洗，你都会抽到那张会被你抽出来的牌。

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